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DATE OF REPORT (DATE OF EARLIEST EVENT REPORTED): May 16, 2007
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ITEM 2.02. Results of Operations and Financial Condition
On May 16, 2007, PFSweb, Inc. hosted a conference call announcing its financial results for
the quarter ended March 31, 2007. Attached to this current report on Form 8-K is a copy of the
related conference call transcript dated May 16, 2007. The information in this Report on Form 8-K,
and the exhibit hereto, shall not be deemed filed for purposes of Section 18 of the Exchange Act
or otherwise subject to the liability of that Section.
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Pursuant to the requirements of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, the registrant has duly caused
this report to be signed on its behalf by the undersigned hereunto duly authorized.
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PFSW Q1 2007 PFSweb, Inc. Earnings Conference Call
Event Date/Time: May. 16. 2007 / 11:00AM ET |
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May. 16. 2007 / 11:00AM ET, PFSW Q1 2007 PFSweb, Inc. Earnings Conference Call
CORPORATE PARTICIPANTS
Todd Fromer
KCSA Worldwide IR
Mark Layton
PFSweb, Inc. CEO
Mike Willoughby
Priority Fulfillment Services President
Tom Madden
PFSweb, Inc. CFO
CONFERENCE CALL PARTICIPANTS
Alex Silverman
Special Situations Analyst
George Walsh
Gilford Securities Analyst
John Fitzgerald
Bishop, Rosen Analyst
PRESENTATION
Operator
Good day. My name is Jackie and I will be your conference operator today. At this time I would
like to welcome everyone to the PFSweb first-quarter earnings conference call. All lines have been
placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers remarks there will be a
question-and-answer period. (OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS) Thank you.
It is now my pleasure to hand the floor over to Todd Fromer, Managing Partner of KCSA Worldwide.
Sir, you may begin your conference.
Todd Fromer - KCSA Worldwide IR
Thank you, Jackie. Good morning and welcome to PFSwebs first-quarter 2007 conference call.
Before I turn this call over to management, I would like to state that manners discussed during
this conference call consist of forward-looking information under the Private Securities Litigation
Reform Act of 1995 and is subject to and involves risks and uncertainties which could cause actual
results to differ materially from the forward-looking information. PFSwebs annual report on Form
10-K for the year ended December 31, 2006 identify certain factors that could cause actual results
to differ materially from those projected in any forward-looking statements made and investors are
advised to review the annual report and the risk factors described therein.
These factors include our ability to retain and expand relationships with existing clients and
attract and implement new clients; our reliance on the fees generated by the transaction volume or
product sales of our clients; our reliance on our clients projections or transaction volume or
product sales; our dependence upon our agreements with IBM; our dependence upon our agreements with
our major clients; our client mix; their business volumes and the seasonality of their business;
our ability to finalize pending contracts; the impact of strategic alliances and acquisitions;
trends in the e-commerce, outsourcing, government regulations both foreign and domestic and the
market for our services; whether we can continue and manage growth; increase the competition; our
ability to
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May. 16. 2007 / 11:00AM ET, PFSW Q1 2007 PFSweb, Inc. Earnings Conference Call
generate more revenue and achieve sustainable profitability; the effects of changes in profit
margins; the customer and supplier concentration of our business; the unknown effects of possible
system failures and rapid changes in technology; foreign currency risks and other risks of
operating in foreign countries; potential litigation; potential delisting; our dependency on key
personnel and the impact of new accounting standards and changes in existing accounting rules or
the interpretation of those rules; our ability to raise additional capital or obtain additional
financing; our ability and the ability of our subsidiaries to borrow under current financing
arrangements and maintain compliance with a debt covenants; relationships with and our guarantees
of certain liabilities and indebtedness of our subsidiaries whether outstanding warrants issued in
a prior private placement will be exercised in the future; our ability to successfully implement
the anticipated benefits of the merger; eCOSTs potential indemnification obligations to its former
parent; eCOSTs ability to maintain existing and build new relationships and manufactures and
vendors and the success of its advertising and marketing efforts; eCOSTs ability to increase its
sales revenue and sales margin and approve operating efficiencies; and eCOSTs ability to generate
a profit and cash flow sufficient to cover the value of its intangible assets.
PFSweb undertakes no obligation to update publicly any forward-looking statement for any reason
even if new information becomes available or other events occur in the future. There may be
additional risks that we do not currently view as material or that are not presently known.
With nothing further, I would now like to turn the floor over to Mark Layton, Chairman and CEO of
PFSweb. Mark, the floor is yours.
Mark Layton - PFSweb, Inc. CEO
Thanks, Todd. Go catch your breath. And let me add my welcome to everybody this morning to our
2007 first-quarter conference call. With me today is Tom Madden, our CFO and Mike Willoughby, our
President of our services business. Both will have some prepared comments and be available for
questions after the prepared remarks.
Briefly this morning let me just start with a backdrop reiterating a few key points regarding the
results for the three months ended March 31 which we released yesterday afternoon. As you review
the results, please keep in mind that quarter one is typically our seasonally low quarter in the
Service Fee business segment. Secondly as you evaluate our results, the PFSweb Service Fee segment
reflected good and continued growth on the top line as a result of the new clients we signed during
the end of 2006.
Our bottom-line results were a little softer in the first quarter than our previous year. This is
related to reduced project work, increased facility costs, higher expenses related to the startup
of our Manila office which I will discuss in a little bit, and new clients start up expenses as
will be discussed in a few minutes.
Also in summary for the quarter, our Supplies Distributors results were softer than the prior year
primarily due to the impact of incremental vendor promotional activity in the March quarter last
year that was at a much lower level this year.
As you review the eCOST results, we believe those continue to show a positive trend. Revenue in
quarter one was actually up slightly versus quarter four and Q4 is typically our seasonal high
quarter. Operating losses have been sharply reduced in Q1 versus Q4 2006 as well as against the
same quarter last year. We believe Q1 represents eCOSTs best quarterly performance in terms of the
bottom line since 2004.
We continue our strategic expansion activities to help us prepare and handle our growth in our
services business. This includes the addition of a new operation in Manila that we discussed last
quarter and will give you a little bit more information on here in a few minutes. This provides us
a really cost effective solution for our future expansion activity. We also added a new larger
facility in the Toronto area to support our growth in the Canadian market this past quarter.
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May. 16. 2007 / 11:00AM ET, PFSW Q1 2007 PFSweb, Inc. Earnings Conference Call
Our cash and working capital capacity remain solid overall. This past quarter we completed
extensions and selected expansions on all of our corporate lending agreements. We believe this is a
positive indicator of the confidence in our business plan by our lending partners. And also as you
will hear, we continue to hold our financial targets for 2007 for revenue at between $420 million
and $435 million and EBITDA of between $8 million and $10 million for the year.
So with that summary as a backdrop, let me turn the call over to Mike Willoughby, the President of
our Services Division who will discuss activity for our Service Fee business and SD. Mike?
Mike Willoughby - Priority Fulfillment Services President
Thank you, Mark. As with previous calls, Im going to refer to our services business segment
which includes both our Supplies Distributors and our PFS Service Fee business collectively. I do
this because both of these businesses have essentially the same operating business model although
different financial models.
The first quarter represents a solid start to 2007. PFSwebs Services Business segment is a
recognized leader in the BPO market. And we established a strong repetition as a global services
provider with broad capacity to handle diverse customer needs. Our operating platform handled
approximately $650 million in merchandise sales during the first quarter. By operating our business
platform with such high volumes, we are able to deploy and offer our clients a wide range of
resources that would be totally cost prohibitive for them to maintain on their own.
Were excited by the new contracts and expanded agreements that we signed in 2006. Most of these
2006 contracts became operational even in the second half of calendar year 2006 or in the first
quarter of 07. And they are now contributing to our 2007 run rate fee revenues. However, bear in
mind as Mark said, the first quarter of the year is traditionally our seasonal low fee revenue
quarter and many of the new contracts also have a fourth-quarter seasonal peak. We will not realize
the full financial benefit of some of these newly implemented contracts until the 2007 holiday
season.
Im very pleased to announce the successful implementation in the first quarter of our contract
with Riverbed Technologies signed last November. As we previously announced, were providing
product management, configuration, final assembly for their wide area beta services product line as
well as inventory management, order fulfillment and international logistics services. Although we
provide this type of final assembly service for other high-tech clients, our relationship with
Riverbed has given us the opportunity to take this part of our service offering to a whole new
level.
We are confident that we have a best-of-breed offering in this area and were excited at the
prospect of expanding our excellent high-tech client portfolio to include new clients needing this
type of postpone manufacturing or final assembly services. Were also very pleased to be such an
integral part of supporting a high-growth company such as Riverbed and we look forward to the
opportunity to grow with Riverbed as they continue to expand their product offerings and their
global presence.
Toward the end of the first quarter, we also completed the successful implementation of our North
American contract with LEGO Brand Retail. As announced last December, we signed a five-year
agreement with LEGO to support order fulfillment for the shopLEGO.com online store and their shop
at home catalog in North America. Were hosting LEGO in one of our Memphis-based facilities using a
new advanced material handling system provided by our strategic partner, [Dematic].
The complex implementation including the installation of the conveyor and integration with the LEGO
systems was handled smoothly and on schedule due to the hard work and tight coordination of the
excellent PFS and LEGO project teams. Were looking forward to supporting this world-renowned brand
and their successful construction toy product line. We designed the LEGO solution to effectively
support their steady-state operation nine months of the year while scaling aggressively and cost
effectively for each holiday season. And were very excited to be able to deliver the benefits of
this custom solution to this valued new client.
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Finally, Im happy to report that growth in the services business segment continues into 2007. We
were notified in March that we had been awarded the contract to provide product fulfillment
customer care services for a major U.S. retailers new online store initiative. We signed a letter
of intent with this new client in early April and were now in the final stages of contracting for
a third quarter launch just in time for the 2007 holiday season. This latest addition to our
growing retail client portfolio helps confirm the validity of our goal to strengthen our presence
in the online retail space.
Our potential new business pipeline also confirms our objective to continue to focus on providing
end-to-end global solution for online retailers. Our prospective new business pipeline is currently
valued at about $25 million of annual fees based on our prospects data to us.
Within our current sales pipeline, were seeing an increase in prospects interested in launching
online store initiatives in Europe. This is very consistent with research that identifies the
European market as the next high-growth e-commerce opportunity and we think were well positioned
to take advantage of this trend with our proven experience in supporting European e-commerce
initiatives.
Some of these opportunities are proven North American brands expanding into Europe while other
prospects are European companies expanding their domestic channels with new or retooled online
stores. We believe were one of the few service providers in our space able to support an
end-to-end European ecommerce initiative and to our knowledge, were the only providers in our
space with more than seven years of experience supporting European and North American brands
ecommerce business in Europe.
With our advanced fulfillment and customer care capability in conjunction with our experienced
professional services staff, and select strategic ecommerce partners, we believe were able to take
care of all the complexities of operating an online store initiative across Europe. Some of these
complexities include supporting EMEA logistics, taxation calculations, presentation and submission
of taxes, payment services and broad management, customer experience localization and multilingual
customer support.
We believe our European experience and global client portfolio positions us to compete aggressively
for new business from this growing segment of the BPO market. And we look forward to further
strengthening expanding our service offering in this area as we look to successfully complete for
these deals in Europe.
In summary, our recent new business acquisition and operations experience across all of our target
markets including high-tech manufacturers, consumer products, direct marketers, and online
retailers gives us reason to be optimistic about our ability to continue to compete for and win new
business in 2007 and beyond.
Id like to take this opportunity to hand the floor back over to Mark. Mark?
Mark Layton - PFSweb, Inc. CEO
Great, thank you, Mike. Okay, with that summary on the services segment, let me give you a
little bit of background on eCOST activity and the results for the quarter from there.
As I stated earlier, eCOSTs financial results for the quarter are now showing good signs that the
significant enhancements we made to the operations of eCOST in 2006 were effective and were very
pleased with the progress thats being made in this division. During the March quarter, our revenue
increased over the seasonally high December quarter results. We believe this is a demonstration of
the restoration of growth which weve been striving for since the merger.
Our gross margin also improved from recent levels. Tom will give you some details on that in a few
minutes. These items combined with strong focus on cost controls resulted in a much improved
bottom-line performance for Q1. EBITDA for the quarter for eCOST.com was a loss of about $900,000.
This is a marked improvement both over Q4 06 as well as Q1 06.
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May. 16. 2007 / 11:00AM ET, PFSW Q1 2007 PFSweb, Inc. Earnings Conference Call
This quarter weve spent substantial time evaluating our avenues and cost to acquire new customers.
Weve begun now to accumulate enough reliable data to have a clearer picture of the life value of
these new customers and with this information we believe we can begin to make more intelligent
decisions regarding the financial investment we are willing to make to acquire new customers to
fuel growth and then also balance that with our profit goals.
Armed with this information, we are making significant adjustments in our marketing strategies that
include a much reduced reliance on the shopping comparison engines or the BOTs; an increase in our
investments in alliance marketing on sites like woot.com; and the reintroduction of direct-mail or
catalog marketing initiatives to invigorate return business from existing eCOST.com customers. Ill
have more information on the results of these new strategies next quarter and we will update you
then.
As we announced in the last conference call, we opened a new 6200 square foot multilingual customer
call center in Manila in the Philippines. This facility offers eCOST a dedicated staff of highly
trained customer service representatives that are supplementing our existing call center operations
here in the U.S. Additionally, the Manila facility will also house personnel to support the Service
Fee businesses as well. We believe these things together will help us to further reduce operating
costs in each of the segments of our business.
As I discussed, the facility went live in April 2007 and we believe this is a very important
component to both eCOST as well as PFSwebs future in terms of meeting our goals to improve the
efficiency of our cost infrastructure.
Also last week if you havent been on the eCOST web store recently, you will see several
significant enhancements to our web store. These enhancements are part of an ongoing redevelopment
of the web store and the shopping cart engine that are designed to make our web store more customer
centric, and allow us to drive for higher order values both in revenue and in margin.
This most recent group of enhancements include features that first, improve the load time from the
web browser to facilitate increased traffic flows and better response time for consumers. Secondly,
we enhanced the navigation allowing customers a better one click access to a PDF file for mail-in
rebate forms. This was one of our larger customer service comments that we get back was the
difficulty in being able to file rebates. So weve made it much clearer to be able to associate the
rebate form with the product.
Third, we increased the accuracy of new product search modules so that we can better search for
specific products and then also and this is relatively important, but behind the scenes, we
enhanced the web catalog database capabilities so that they can handle a much greater number of
offered products. This is a really important technical capability as we look to dramatically
increase the number of total products that we offer.
As I discussed last quarter, our relationship with our merchandise content provider, Etilize, is a
very important element in the Web feature enhancements. Etilize, as well as other content providers
that well add in the future, provide us with the latest merchandising content, associated
products, accessories, upsell/cross-sell capabilities on an automated and real-time basis. This
capability allows us to quickly scale many new VW SKU offerings with minimal manual intervention.
As I discussed in the past, were continually working to increase the number of virtual warehouse
agreements. The reason for this is that first of all, they dont require a large sum of capital for
inventory investment. Secondly, they reduce our risk in terms of inventory obsolescence. And third,
as the name proposes, they do not include the usual expense of a warehousing facility that allows
us then to basically put these products up on our website, expand our product offering and do so at
a relatively low risk profile.
These agreements also offer us to allow us to offer a lot of new product categories that were
not in today and we can test them by displaying them on the site and see which ones are going to be
accepted by the demographics of our customers.
As of March 31, we had nine virtual warehouse agreements. We are targeting to add about three to
four new virtual warehouse agreements per quarter going forward. Our Web catalog offering of fully
merchandised SKUs now stands at about 90,000 products. This is about three times the size it was
during the summer of last year and again I
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emphasize fully merchandised. We have had a lot of products on the site and many of them without
images and merchandising information. So were now at about 90,000 fully merchandised products;
thats about three times what it was last year.
Just some quick operating results. For the three months ended March 31, eCOST reported a total of
about 66,000 orders shipped; average order value remained pretty steady at about $326. This
compared to a year ago of about 98,000 orders shipped and an average order value of about $384.
For those who may be new on the call, just to mention briefly, we did a lot last year to really
investigate and evaluate the quality of revenue that we had. The business run rate is smaller today
than it was a year ago because we chose to basically quit some of the lower margin activity that we
were after a year ago. That result obviously reflects in the number of orders shipped and to some
agree on the average order size of some of the activity thats there.
And the good news is at the same time, weve reduced the cost structure and integrated a lot of the
efficiencies that weve talked about in many quarters in the past trade. So the breakeven point
and Ill give you a little more information on that in a minute on the business is quite a bit
lower than it was previously.
Also ad expenses for the first quarter were about $300,000. This compares to about $1.3 million for
the first quarter of 2006 and a lot of that has to do with the revised marketing strategies that I
discussed a minute ago.
So this whole background on eCOST, let me turn the mic over here to Tom for a few minutes and hell
give you some color on the financials in total for the first quarter. Tom?
Tom Madden - PFSweb, Inc. CFO
Thank you, Mark. Let me first start by providing a brief overview of our consolidated
operating results for the quarter ended March 31, 2007 and then provide some operating highlights
for certain business segments and then I will also talk about some key balance sheet items as well.
One thing before I get started, please note in reviewing our financial statements, that the prior
year results only include the financial results for eCOST from the date of the merger which was
February 1 of 2006 through March 31 of 2006. So the prior year quarter only includes eCOST for two
months.
As reported in our press release issued yesterday, our consolidated revenues for PFSweb for the
quarter ended March 31, 2007 were $104.4 million as compared to $110.7 million for the first
quarter of 2006. Gross profit for the first quarter was $10 million or 9.6% of net revenues
compared to $10.4 million or 9.4% of net revenues in the first quarter of last year.
Adjusted EBITDA, which is a key metric in evaluating our operational performance and potential was
$0.8 million for the March 2007 quarter versus $1.6 million in the prior year period. Net loss for
the first quarter of 2007 was $2.4 million or -$0.05 per basic and diluted share as compared to a
loss of $1.6 million or $0.05 per basic and diluted share for the same period last year.
Now lets turn to the performance of the business segments. Lets first talk about the Service Fee
business. For the first quarter 2007, Service Fee revenue was $17 million which was an increase of
7% over the same period in the prior year. This increase is due to expanded relationships with key
clients and the addition of several new clients such as LEGO, Riverbed and others within the past
few quarters.
Gross margins were within our targeted range of 25% to 30% though down from the prior year due to
less project activity and incremental costs (inaudible) new contract start-up activity. Gross
margins earned on new contracts are generally lower in the first few quarters of operations as we
work to employ the appropriate long-term infrastructure solution for the client.
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SG&A increased approximately $400,000 over the prior year primarily related to incremental facility
costs, travel costs, and the impact of foreign currency fluctuations. The adjusted EBITDA for the
Service Fee business was $0.3 million as compared to $1.3 million in the prior year.
Overall we are pleased with the performance of our Service Fee business segment and we are
targeting a solid pipeline of potential new business for the remainder of the year.
For our Supplies Distributors business segment, revenue was $58.8 million which was a decrease of
just under $10 million as compared to the prior year. This decrease was primarily due to reduced
vendor promotional activity in the current year as well as the impact of foreign currency
fluctuations and reduced sales volumes.
Gross margin for the business remained relatively flat year-over-year; however as it results of the
decreased revenue, adjusted EBITDA declined to $1.4 million as compared to $1.8 million in the
prior period.
Turning now to eCOST.com. We feel the best way to judge the effectiveness of the incremental
improvements to eCOST operations since our merger date is by looking at the sequential
quarter-to-quarter results. eCOST, as we indicated previously, eCOST revenues of $21.6 million in
the March 2007 quarter slightly exceeded the revenue recorded in the fourth quarter of 2006,
generally our seasonally strongest quarter.
Secondly, eCOSTs gross margin improved on a sequential quarter-to-quarter basis. The gross margin
for the quarter was approximately 8.4%, the highest level since our acquisition and close to the
near-term gross margin goal we have established of approximately 9% to 10%. While we are pleased
with eCOSTs gross margin for the period, we still see room for improvement in the next few
quarters as this quarter was negatively affected by certain close out activity.
Also in relation to Marks comments earlier, this is one more reason we are looking to increase the
number of virtual warehouse agreements as we believe these relationships will improve our overall
gross margin for this business.
The adjusted EBITDA for eCOST business was a loss of $0.9 million compared to a loss of $1.4
million for the same period in the prior year which only reflected two months. And more
importantly, the adjusted EBITDA loss was an improvement of approximately $700,000 from the
December 2006 quarter.
Now Ill talk a little bit about our consolidated balance sheet and some of the highlights there.
From a cash perspective, our consolidated cash position remained solid with cash, cash equivalents
and restricted cash balances exceeding $15.4 million as of March 31, 2007. Our accounts receivable
and inventory levels continue to reflect solid turnover results during this period as well.
From a financing perspective, we have been successful as Mark indicated earlier, in either
extending, renewing or amending all of our asset-based financing facilities for our Service Fee,
Supplies Distributors and eCOST businesses segments. All of these new agreements have terms that
are either at or somewhat improved from the prior levels resulting in increased working capital
financing availability.
Now Id like to turn the call back to Mark for closing remarks.
Mark Layton - PFSweb, Inc. CEO
Okay. Thanks, Tom. Before we open the call for questions, just let me reiterate or confirm
some targets that weve put out there for 2007. As I mentioned earlier, we are targeting
consolidated revenue excluding passthrough revenue for 2007 to be in the range of $420 million to
$435 million.
We also believe that EBITDA is the most appropriate measure to gauge the profitability of our
business so we are providing guidance on and EBITDA or an adjusted EBITDA basis. In 2007, were
targeting a consolidated adjusted EBITDA range of $8 million to $10 million. Obviously this will
mark significant improvement in our operations
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from an overall basis compared to 2006. A lot of this improvement comes from significant
improvements in the eCOST business while we continue to perform strongly in our Service Fee and
Supplies Distributors segments.
For 2007, we expect CapEx to be in the range of $3 million to $5 million. That excludes any unknown
CapEx that we would make for new clients additions. We will target that or plan that as new
contracts are signed.
In closing, we believe the time is now ripe for us to reach out to new investors and analysts.
Weve got good momentum in the eCOST business, the services business continues to be solid. As a
result, were working with our IR firm, KCSA, at this time to begin to coordinate some roadshow
activity to share the excitement of our story, the turnaround of eCOST and our plans for the
future.
We appreciate the support that many of you have shown us over the past year and we are targeting to
move onward and upward from here.
Operator, that concludes the prepared remarks. We are now available for questions.
QUESTION AND ANSWER
Operator
(OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS) Alex Silverman, Special Situations.
Alex Silverman - Special Situations Analyst
Good morning. A couple of questions. Is there any way you can quantify the new large retailer
that is launching the new store in the third quarter?
Mike Willoughby - Priority Fulfillment Services President
At this point there isnt any way that we can provide guidance for that. As we get closer to
launch, then we might have some more information to provide but at this point, we dont have any
guidance to provide.
Alex Silverman - Special Situations Analyst
And is this the first time that they are going online?
Mike Willoughby - Priority Fulfillment Services President
It is their first online initiative although they are a large well-recognized brand and we
have every reason to believe this is going to be a very successful initiative for them. We are real
excited about it.
Alex Silverman - Special Situations Analyst
Is the 3 to $5 million of CapEx including them?
Mike Willoughby - Priority Fulfillment Services President
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Actually at this point it would include them.
Alex Silverman - Special Situations Analyst
Okay. Understanding that it cost you a bunch of money to in the first couple of quarters
launching new customers and you are loading on whatever $12 million in new business on the
service side. Can you give us any sense of if you strip out the startup expenses, what adjusted
EBITDA might have looked like for the service business? I realize thats hard.
Tom Madden - PFSweb, Inc. CFO
Its a hard question. I dont have that number in front of me. Id have to do some math in
order to figure it out. It would show a marked improvement from where we are at.
Alex Silverman - Special Situations Analyst
Improvement year-over-year?
Tom Madden - PFSweb, Inc. CFO
I dont believe it would believe it would show an improvement year-over-year, no. It would be
an improvement from the results that we presented but we still would have had a reduced level of
project activity this year that benefited us last year in the first quarter.
Mark Layton - PFSweb, Inc. CEO
This is Mark. There were basically three components just to reiterate that drove the
differences in the results. First was the SD business was down because of the vendor promotional
activity was just lower this year. Second, we just didnt have much project revenue this quarter.
Ive said in the past that is a relatively unpredictable part of our business and so on a
year-on-year basis, we just didnt have a lot of project activity this quarter.
And then the third thing were these startup costs. I would say you are dealing with a few hundred
grand of startup activity to try to quantify that for you.
Alex Silverman - Special Situations Analyst
Great. Thank you, guys. Nice quarter.
Mark Layton - PFSweb, Inc. CEO
Thank you, Alex.
Operator
George Walsh, Gilford Securities.
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George Walsh - Gilford Securities Analyst
Mark, with the eCOST, there was a good first quarter. Do you see a seasonal impact as you go
into Q2 and Q3 or do feel you are at something of a base rate for moving forward for that breakeven
level?
Mark Layton - PFSweb, Inc. CEO
George, Im knocking on wood but I think it is the latter. We feel good about April results in
terms of top-line performance as well and Im cautiously guardedly knock on wood happy
with where things are and as you also as I disclosed in there, our ad expenses are down
significantly year-over-year. So we a lot of what we are getting right now is word-of-mouth. Our
customer service ratings are up. There is still room to improve but I just I feel good about
where we are at and I see so much opportunity ahead of us now as we begin to make targeted
investments with our marketing dollars in the right areas. So I think it is the latter.
George Walsh - Gilford Securities Analyst
Okay. You know, Mark, I apologize, I was called away for a second from the call. I missed that
regarding there is a new retailer that is coming on board for eCOST, is that correct?
Mark Layton - PFSweb, Inc. CEO
Not for eCOST but for the services business. I will let Mike reiterate that real quick.
Mike Willoughby - Priority Fulfillment Services President
We announced in the conference call that we had been chosen to provide services for a major
U.S.-based retail brand for their new online store initiative and we signed a letter of intent with
them in April and are now in the final contracting stages and development of detailed segmented
work for a third quarter launch for this 2007 holiday season. And that is on the PFS services
segment side.
George Walsh - Gilford Securities Analyst
Okay, that is good. Now would these startup cost for the services for the first quarter is
this more or less in line that youve had with previous startup customers and the ramp up in
margins is more or less within the normalized range that you see here just in terms of flow of ramp
up?
Mike Willoughby - Priority Fulfillment Services President
I think so. The activities that we had in the first quarter as I mentioned in the conference
call, the implementations went very smoothly for us. We are very happy with the results of
implementation, everything was on schedule and on budget given our expectations for what it takes
to do one of these deals. And weve talked about in the past that the first 90 days or so of a new
contract typically runs at somewhat below our targeted margins just as youre adjusting into
running a new contract.
We generally are a lot more detailed diligent around the operations of a new contract really just
making sure that we are dotting all the is and crossing the ts, making sure that a new initiative
is launched with absolute top-quality. And that tends to have somewhat of a negative effect on
margins and then after the first 90 days, we generally see that we
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are starting to perform within targeted margins as we operate the new contract in steady-state. So
this was a pretty typical quarter for us as far as the implementation activity coming in
financially.
George Walsh - Gilford Securities Analyst
Okay, well Ill get back in queue and then come back.
Mark Layton - PFSweb, Inc. CEO
Thanks, George.
Operator
John Fitzgerald, Bishop, Rosen.
John Fitzgerald - Bishop, Rosen Analyst
Gentlemen, getting back to the large retailer, can you elaborate a little bit further I
know you cant mention names etc and so forth here you are coming online there third-quarter
going into the holiday season which is the sweet spot. What kind of contributions, what kind of
productlines are we talking about? Can you give us any heads up where theyre going to fit into the
mix?
Mike Willoughby - Priority Fulfillment Services President
Well they certainly fit into the category that we generally describe as online retailer,
multi-channel online retailer. I cant really comment on the product segment they are in probably
would give it away at this point. Since were into contracting phase and were (multiple speakers)
John Fitzgerald - Bishop, Rosen Analyst
But you cant say I didnt try. Go ahead, all right.
Mike Willoughby - Priority Fulfillment Services President
I admire your effort. We are very excited about it. I think when we do announce it, youre
going to recognize the brand. Its nationally recognized and were just excited about adding it to
our portfolio and frankly we had targeted the online retail particularly from a global perspective,
the online retail segment in this category as being one of our highest growth categories over the
next couple of years and we are seeing that play out as we sign some new deals and as we look at
our sales pipeline as I indicated earlier in the conference call.
John Fitzgerald - Bishop, Rosen Analyst
Okay, one other question. I had 90,000 products. Are you maxing out here as to the point where
you get into overkill on this where it becomes counterproductive in terms of the amount of products
you have? 90,000 is a lot of products.
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Mark Layton - PFSweb, Inc. CEO
Actually not, John. This is Mark. There is still quite a few products in the technology
segment. Theres probably another 100,000 SKUs in the technology segment that we want to get into
and with the virtual warehouse relationship that we are using, we get into them basically using our
technology as our way to expand. And with that comes little inventory obsolescence risk and things
along that line. So it is a great way to go.
But further to the technology side, youre going to see us use this same avenue to get into other
product categories whether thats housewares, sporting goods, a variety of product segments that we
are looking and valuating at and youre going to see us broaden the store to be much more
multi-category oriented. In the past as we discussed, we would consider doing other acquisitions in
this area and bring them in underneath the umbrella. If those became available, and thats nothing
on the horizon and nothing going on right now but just in terms of a strategy.
So we got into the eCOST deal because we saw an opportunity to leverage the strengths of our
business in terms of our infrastructure pipeline, our technology capabilities, our call center
capabilities, and to this growing Web commerce area. And eCOST was our avenue to get in, it brought
us customers, it brought us a business that needed a turnaround but it got us a foothold in that.
And we are serious about our expansion in this area and we will continue to grow when we believe we
can do it profitably and in a very, very broad business segment going forward.
John Fitzgerald - Bishop, Rosen Analyst
The site itself has vastly improved. I have people that really know these sites and they have
said the turnaround and quality of the site has been exceptional. So youre not really concerned,
the integration as you keep adding these products on as sort of chewing off more than you can
swallow at one time here. You are comfortable with the rate of integration I guess is my statement?
Mark Layton - PFSweb, Inc. CEO
Yes, sir.
John Fitzgerald - Bishop, Rosen Analyst
Okay, thanks very much.
Operator
(OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS) George Walsh, Gilford Securities.
George Walsh - Gilford Securities Analyst
Mark, on the Supplies Distributors side, there was a actually a big difference versus last
year but do you see that ramping up through the balance of the year? And the other was there was
an item I saw in the Q with regard to a bit of a joint venture with IBM and Ricoh. And could you
elaborate is that something that you think could have a near-term impact in terms of your
relationship there or is that something you just kind of see how it goes?
Tom Madden - PFSweb, Inc. CFO
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I will take the first part of that and then Ill have Mark elaborate on the second. In terms
of the revenue performance for Supplies Distributors, it was down year-over-year as we indicated
but if you take a look at the quarterly performance during 2006, it went from about $68 million
down to a level of about $60 million per quarter for the rest of the year. So this quarters
performance while down over the first quarter last year is relatively consistent with where weve
been over the last three or four sequential quarters.
So on an overall basis, we feel like the business will be relatively stable with the prior year
numbers as we look out for the full calendar year.
George Walsh - Gilford Securities Analyst
Okay.
Mark Layton - PFSweb, Inc. CEO
On the second part of your question, George, for those who may not have heard, Ricoh and IBM
announced a few months back that theyre creating a new joint venture that will be called Info
Print Solutions. And IBM is contributing the printing systems or printing division to that JV and
Ricoh is one of the primary OEM manufacturers of the engines that go in the printers for that
business segment.
Thats Im not sure exactly where they are in terms of their date planning. You should rely on
their information for that but we have had the opportunity to meet with the executive team of the
new company. They reiterated with us that they are happy with the work that weve done. Theyve got
a lot of work to do on their side and they are certainly not going to go and address things that
arent broken while they are working on their integration.
So for the foreseeable future we dont see any change in that relationship from our standpoint.
Clearly things will be evaluated. It will be a new company. I think we see a lot more focus on
growth and excitement from them. So we are cautiously optimistic about getting this thing back into
a growth business. Its been relatively flat now for about three years I would say.
So we are excited about what the opportunity might bring although it probably isnt a near-term
change. And I also think theres probably some distraction that leads to a little bit to the
revenue results that theyve had this last quarter also that impacts our SD business; obviously
they are a primary client of the SD segment.
George Walsh - Gilford Securities Analyst
Okay. But do you think that their model is that they would like to work with a distributor
like yourself?
Mark Layton - PFSweb, Inc. CEO
Yes, that is the model right now. We have every indication from them that is the case.
George Walsh - Gilford Securities Analyst
Okay. Now also there was an issue on with one of the municipality abatements and there was
an adjustment and is there any updated status on that in terms of impact on you guys or when a
decision would be made on that?
Mark Layton - PFSweb, Inc. CEO
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No, there is no change on it. Theres been a couple of letters gone back and forth. We
continue to believe our position is correct. We are accruing taxes for 07 which is where we
believe is the right way on the formula from there. But we believe our position is very solid going
back and but there is no date in terms of that and theyve been slow on their side to respond to
moving things forward. So at this point, I dont see any risk there.
George Walsh - Gilford Securities Analyst
Okay. All right. I will get back in queue and come back. Thanks.
Operator
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George Walsh - Gilford Securities Analyst
That was easy. Could you go into a bit of the you mentioned that this quarter on eCOST
there was a lot of word-of-mouth. Just you did have marketing initiatives that you were looking at
and many of them off-line. Can you just go into some of the aspects that is going at and how that
is ramping up?
Mark Layton - PFSweb, Inc. CEO
The primary things that were testing a lot of stuff at this point. Off line we tried some
radio advertising in December. I think weve concluded that the results from that are probably a
lot longer-term than what we are after. So that was one that probably didnt work as well as we
would have thought at least near-term.
I think I mentioned we are getting back into a regular catalog, direct-mail program and we have to
watch the Postal Service costs a little bit to see what is going to go on there later this year and
get that settled. But at this point that is a very effective way for us and were seeing good
reinvigoration of our existing customers that may not have bought from us since 03 or 04 that are
coming back into the fray for us from there. We would not prospect catalogs in that area.
On the new account side, we were trying to use an affiliate and second tier sites, I mentioned Woot
on the call, Woot.com for those that are unfamiliar is a really interesting community site that
offers one product a day and we are doing some affiliated marketing with them. It is at this point
a cost effective way for us to acquire customers. Its obviously one site so it in itself isnt
particularly scalable but it is an example of the kinds of things we want to do in that area in
order to build from there.
We are looking at other community opportunities in terms of Web communities out there where we can
entrench ourselves into demographics of areas that are high-technology users, males in that 25 to
55 segment has been the typical sweet spot for eCOST in years past.
So weve got a pretty good idea at this point what we can pay and achieve the kind of profitability
that we want over the live value of the customer. We need to increase the list of places that cost
is affected out there. And at this point most of the shopping BOTs are not. So we have backed off
of that significantly and are beginning to rely on a number of other activities as I described.
George Walsh - Gilford Securities Analyst
Okay, what is the balance between customer additions and product additions in terms of driving
the top-line and getting that I guess your breakeven quarterly is around $25.5 million. Between
those two, what is the real driver?
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Mark Layton - PFSweb, Inc. CEO
Can you reiterate that again, George?
George Walsh - Gilford Securities Analyst
Just between product additions and customer additions or getting existing customers to buy
more, what is the priority to get the revenue to that $25.5 million level on a quarterly basis?
Mark Layton - PFSweb, Inc. CEO
We are getting close right now in terms of that but I would say that the primary emphasis and
the place that we seem to be having the greatest results has to do with getting existing customers
to repeat purchase. Were continuing to see improvements in each of the month classes of new
customers in terms of the percentage of those who have come back and bought back to the . And
really the earliest good measurement period we have is about August of last year. But those numbers
are continuing to improve.
I would say our efforts are primarily in that reinvigoration area. We want it to be more from new
customers but weve got to find more profitable avenues as I just discussed in order for that to be
a bigger piece from there. Products is the third piece of it and if the balance is all right you
should have those three things equally contributing growth. Right now we are more heavily weighted
toward existing customers buying from us, and secondly, on products and third, on new customers.
George Walsh - Gilford Securities Analyst
Okay. But it sounds like a good feedback that you are starting to get some repeat customers
going after a lot of the issues here to [confirm].
Mark Layton - PFSweb, Inc. CEO
Well it is and I think Im even more encouraged the point here is that if you provide
people a good experience and they know they can rely on you, we know weve got great products.
Weve got some great deals in terms of LCD television sets. Our HP refurb relationship, recertified
relationship that we have, these deals that we are bringing into the site really help drive traffic
and word-of-mouth traffic is there. People find us cost effective on things.
Our freighting arrangements that weve been able to arrange in terms of moving these flat screen
televisions puts us very, very competitive with the big box retailers out there. And so those
things all drive traffic but youve got to have service behind them and I think we went through
some periods of time last year where our quality of service was certainly not where we wanted it to
be. And as that has improved, the reliance come up and your repeat purchasing pattern improves.
George Walsh - Gilford Securities Analyst
Okay and just finally, the working capital was off a bit from the beginning of the year but at
the same time you had the comments about the working with your banks and your lines of credit. Can
you just kind of balance the two of those for us in terms of your liquidity and how you feel going
forward this year?
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Tom Madden - PFSweb, Inc. CFO
As I indicated in the prepared comments, we did get some increased borrowing capacity under
certain of the arrangements. In our Service Fee business we increased our asset-based accounts
receivable facility from a $7.5 million level to a $10 million level. So that provides us with some
additional flexibility. I think at the end of March we had borrowed approximately $6.5 million
under that arrangement. So again, as we have grown and as we continue to experience growth, having
increased availability under the accounts receivable line just made sense for us.
As I take a look at the other credit lines that are in place for our not only our Service Fee
business but Supplies Distributors as well as eCOST, I think those are fine as I took take a look
out into the next twelve month horizon to feel like it appropriately meets our needs from a
business standpoint.
George Walsh - Gilford Securities Analyst
Okay. And the banks I would guess have a pretty good view so everybody is pretty comfortable
with your financial situation and liquidity?
Tom Madden - PFSweb, Inc. CFO
Yes, we went through a detailed review process in conjunction with these amendments and
renewals over the last three months.
George Walsh - Gilford Securities Analyst
And we are all well within covenants?
Tom Madden - PFSweb, Inc. CFO
Yes, we are.
George Walsh - Gilford Securities Analyst
And any sense just given the outlook that you see right now in terms of business and taking
on this retailer going forward, your existing lines and everything should deal with that you
dont see any potential financings you may need?
Tom Madden - PFSweb, Inc. CFO
We always look at especially to the extent there is equipment needs, we always look to try to
finance those through either operating leases or capital leases going forward. So we are always
looking from an equipment standpoint for incremental financing support there. But we believe based
on what we have today that we are adequately we have the appropriate financing arrangements in
place.
George Walsh - Gilford Securities Analyst
Okay, great. Thanks a lot.
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May. 16. 2007 / 11:00AM ET, PFSW Q1 2007 PFSweb, Inc. Earnings Conference Call
Mark Layton - PFSweb, Inc. CEO
The one thing I will add on that top-line basis in there in terms of the working capital side
of things, obviously as new customers come along and we may have new capital requirements that go
along with that. So as Tom mentioned, we will look to finance those things but at times the cash
required in that is can be significant based on the size of the contracts.
So equity financing is always something we have to keep an eye open towards but we dont have any
plans for that at this point. The other thing weve mentioned in the past is that with the say
weve grown over the years we have a relatively complex corporate structure for the size company
that we are. While on a consolidated basis we have the cash consolidated out there, sometimes it
can be a little bit difficult to move all the capital from one end to another in the timeframe that
we need it because weve got lenders involved in each of those little corporate entities that we
have set up out there.
So at times we need capital at the top level in order to be able to have the flexibility that we
need to be immediately responsive to client opportunities or deals that come along. So I just give
that as a backdrop to say we are strong and weve got good capital capability but as new things
come along out there, we have to evaluate lending and equity capabilities and be able to be
responsive quickly to the opportunity or we may miss it.
Operator
Thank you. Please go ahead.
Mark Layton - PFSweb, Inc. CEO
I was just going to say any other questions?
Operator
John Fitzgerald, Bishop, Rosen.
John Fitzgerald - Bishop, Rosen Analyst
Just a couple of other things here. What would you say would be your main demographic for your
eCOST sites? What kind of people are coming on this?
Mark Layton - PFSweb, Inc. CEO
They are males, 25 to 55, and income level over $100,000, is kind of the sweet spot that weve
seen from a demographic standpoint.
John Fitzgerald - Bishop, Rosen Analyst
And that is the main push there. Obviously everybody obsessing over eCOST. Can you elaborate a
little bit further on Web on the PFS side of the business here? Europe, etc., that seems to be
perking along pretty good here. Can you elaborate any further where you see things there presently
going forward here? I know youve already made some statements on it but maybe you can elaborate a
little bit further. Contracts, things like that.
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May. 16. 2007 / 11:00AM ET, PFSW Q1 2007 PFSweb, Inc. Earnings Conference Call
Mike Willoughby - Priority Fulfillment Services President
As we said in the conference call, were really seeing great opportunities in all of our
vertical markets. The Riverbed contact as I alluded to provides some additional capabilities. Even
though weve done this postpone manufacturing or final assembly work for some other clients, what
we are doing for them as I said, takes us to a new level. So we think that opens opportunities for
us to work with other particularly high-tech manufacturing companies that need that same kind of
service whether it is loading code onto network appliances or doing final assembly work where you
are creating a final SKU from a raw good product.
So in that sector, in that vertical market with the high-tech manufactures we believe we have
additional opportunities and we have interests thats represented within our sales pipeline there
particularly at the online retail vertical market. I alluded to the fact that research is showing
that the next really big growth opportunity is in Europe and that is being evidenced by what we are
seeing in our sales pipeline and that is where we are probably spending quite a bit of our time in
investment in marketing dollars looking to take advantage of that trend.
And that is also represented within our new business prospect sales pipeline where we see a lot of
opportunities in that area online retailers either in North America, in successful North
American brands looking to expand into Europe or existing European brick and mortar stores or
multi-channel direct marketers that want to expand or open up new online retail stores.
So really just a lot of good signs out there for all our vertical markets for us to look at some
new business going forward.
John Fitzgerald - Bishop, Rosen Analyst
Okay, a couple of things. The $15 million in cash, do you plan on sitting on that?
Tom Madden - PFSweb, Inc. CFO
It has been a number that stayed relatively stable over the last several years so weve done a
good job of being able to generate incremental financing to support the growth that has occurred in
the business. Our goal would be to try to maintain a balance similar to that as we go forward. As
Mark alluded to earlier, things come up and as opportunities arise we will evaluate whether its
appropriate to use existing cash or identify either other financing or equity raising opportunities
(multiple speakers)
John Fitzgerald - Bishop, Rosen Analyst
Okay. I just want to make sure. I mean the guys over at Google (inaudible) and [Smitty] just
bought a 767. I just wanted to make sure you werent planning on anything like that here.
One other question in here and I will let you go here. April, you said well lets knock on wood on
that. You seem to indicate it is still proceeding further. The consumer seems to be starting to
drag his feet with all the various consumer spending pressures on them. What do you attribute why
you guys had stayed ahead of the curve here a little bit? Is it the betterment of the site, etc.?
Better marketing that you guys are bucking the trend I guess is what it comes down to.
Mark Layton - PFSweb, Inc. CEO
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Well, I think it starts with better service was the issue. Weve always had great deals and I
think the other part of it is were just focused on running the business now as opposed to focused
on trying to keep alligators out of off our ankles which is what we did for most of 2006. Just
being able with our product management team to actually run the business, focus on getting out
on finding and getting good deals out to the marketplace. I think that is an important part of it.
We have market share to recapture that we once owned. And I think you are seeing responsiveness to
that.
John Fitzgerald - Bishop, Rosen Analyst
Okay, thanks very much. Good luck.
Operator
Thank you. There are no further questions. I would like to hand the floor back to management
for any closing remarks.
Mark Layton - PFSweb, Inc. CEO
Okay. I appreciate everybodys time this morning and we will be back next quarter. Have a
great week.
Operator
Thank you. This concludes todays conference call. You may now disconnect.
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